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Doonoo Boonoo
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Posted - 2008.08.24 11:27:00 -
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 Originally by: Maximillian Bayonette
No. Gatecamps aren't that prominent. They tell you in rookie chat that there are gate camps everywhere in low sec. That's one reason to leave the NPC corp. They are full of liars. I run around in low sec all the time. I've never ran into a gate camp. I've never ran into a HIC at a gate. I've definately never been engaged by an interceptor at a gate.
In 2 years of playing and running around losec you have never run into a gate camp?
Originally by: Maximillian Bayonette
If you're done making up stories, maybe we can go on with the discussion?
Take your own advice.
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Doonoo Boonoo
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Posted - 2008.08.24 11:34:00 -
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Originally by: Maximillian Bayonette
most mission runners seem to have a fear of interacting with other people, here's another reason for not many running them.
Rubbish. People don't run missions because they have a fear of interacting with people. They run them to earn Isk.
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Doonoo Boonoo
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Posted - 2008.08.24 12:03:00 -
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Originally by: Tippia
Originally by: Doonoo Boonoo
Rubbish. People don't run missions because they have a fear of interacting with people. They run them to earn Isk.
So, you're saying that if L5 rewards were 5-6x the rewards of L4s across the board (6x the loot, 6x the salvage, 6x the bounties, rewards, bonuses and LP), mission runners would happily gather in groups, 4-5 people large, and tip-toe out in lowsec?
Max said mission runners were scared of interacting with people.
Which is a lie.
To answer your question. I don't know.
I bet you 1 billion Isk Max is talking out of his backside and makes his Isk running level 4s in Hisec.
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Doonoo Boonoo
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Posted - 2008.08.24 13:29:00 -
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Edited by: Doonoo Boonoo on 24/08/2008 13:29:46
Originally by: Tippia
Originally by: Doonoo Boonoo
Max said mission runners were scared of interacting with people.
Not the whole story.
Max said mission runners don't run group missions, and tried to explain it with their being scared of interaction.
You argued counter to this claim and offered "they run to earn ISK" as an alternative explanation.
You're very good at not reading and trying to twist my words to suit your own meaning. Max has already admitted he percieves them to be afraid of interaction. I merely pointed out that his perceptions are wrong.
Originally by: Tippia
So either you think proportionally higher rewards to counter the higher numbers will help convince mission runners to run in groups,
Newsflash: People already group together to run lvl 5 missions in lowsec. As for 'Do I think higher rewards will bring more people into lowsec', I already told you- I don't know.
Originally by: Tippia
or your argument had nothing to do with what he said and you were trying to derail the discussion. So which one is it?
In order to have a discussion it's best that people don't present their misconceptions as facts.
Max thinking that all mission runners are afraid of interaction is like saying all pirates are griefers.
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Doonoo Boonoo
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Posted - 2008.08.24 13:36:00 -
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Edited by: Doonoo Boonoo on 24/08/2008 13:41:06
Originally by: Maximillian Bayonette
Originally by: Doonoo Boonoo
Max said mission runners were scared of interacting with people.
Which is a lie.
I said mission runners seem to be scared of interacting with people. Which isn't a lie. It's an observation.
Originally by: Doonoo Boonoo
To answer your question. I don't know.
I bet you 1 billion Isk Max is talking out of his backside and makes his Isk running level 4s in Hisec.
Why do I need to be talking out of my backside because I run missions in high sec? I've already stated that that's what I do for a living. I really want to see them nerfed, however.
Ah. My mistake. I thought that when you said you were regularly in lowsec I assumed you were running missions there. My bad.
But I think the fact that you are giving mission runners advice on what to do in lowsec to avoid being ganked but don't run them yourself shows that the dangers of interruption and getting ganked are far greater than you claim. If it was easy as you say it is you would be running them yourself wouldn't you? You said yourself that lowsec is dead and yet you don't run misions there despite the better rewards.
So If lowsec is dead and it's easy to avoid geting ganked why aren't you in lowsec?
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Doonoo Boonoo
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Posted - 2008.08.24 14:06:00 -
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Originally by: Maximillian Bayonette
The reason I want a nerf to high sec is that I see it as imbalanced that you can make tons of isk in safe space. For me, getting people to low sec is secondary in this argument. The two things are separate issues for me.
Agree. This thread is about lvl 4s being nerfed and not just moving them to lowsec after all. For a start I would remove T1 module drops from missions. Not sure if it should be removed from lvl 1s -3s because newer players will be able to use stuff they find but lvl 4s should just drop salvage and no BS sized modules.
I would remove the Drone missions as well because they inject minerals into the market.
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Doonoo Boonoo
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Posted - 2008.08.24 14:21:00 -
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Originally by: Haakelen
Pure carebears aren't going to play in lowsec. They're going to go quit and do something else. If you'd like to go back to having 7,000 online at peak, that's cool, but I'm betting CCP wouldn't.
True but I don't think there are as many pure carebears as people think. The only figures that I could find are in a Dev blog from 10 months ago.
Corporation Statistics.
I would like to see a similar Blog this year so we can compare stats and see if Eve is really becoming more carebeary.
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Doonoo Boonoo
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Posted - 2008.08.24 18:20:00 -
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Edited by: Doonoo Boonoo on 24/08/2008 18:23:29
Originally by: Tippia
The issue at hand is L5s, and their group requirements. Max offers an explanation for why L5s aren't being run that much: they require groups, and mission runners don't seem to like that. You counter by saying that ISK is what makes people run missions ù whether they have to group up or not is irrelevant. No mention?
No. I counterd Max's statement that said mission runners are adverse to interaction with others when he used it to explain why mission runners where not running lvl 5 missions in lowsec. The primary motivation behind running all missions is the reward. Max already pointed out that lvl 5s have poor rewards. I agree with him.
Originally by: Tippia
In essence, either you're talking about something completely different, or you're offering an alternative explanation to his group requirement hypothesis. I was wondering which the case was: do you offer an anternative explanation (in which case you're implicitly arguing that more ISK would solve the problem)
lvl 5 missions in lowsec cannot be run solo and the rewards are crap. Obviously I am in favour of boosting them. Again, Max called for a boost to lowsec in the post I replied to.
So again I am agreeing with him.
Originally by: Tippia
or are you in fact not arguing against his point at all (in which case you're just throwing in some irrelevant misdirection)? It could simply be that your truncated quote made you miss out on the point he made, and that you therefore argued against a point that was never made.
I truncated the quote because that was the only part of his post I disagreed with.
Originally by: Tippia
..and you offered an alternative perception: that the ISK is what matters. Since you didn't dispute that L5s aren't being run that much, or that they require groups to run, you're saying that the reason behind this is that the pay isn't good enough.
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Newsflash: People already group together to run lvl 5 missions in lowsec. As for 'Do I think higher rewards will bring more people into lowsec', I already told you- I don't know.
If you don't know, why did you assert ISK as the motivating factor for running L5s (or any missions, for that matter)? If it is such a factor, then, surely, you would also think that more ISK would offer more motivation?)
Isk is the motivating factor in all missions. Yes, it is safe to assume that more Isk rewards to lvl 5 missions in lowsec would bring more players but I would be guessing as to exactly how many extra people it would bring. At no point have I said that adding more rewards to lvl 5 missions in lowsec wouldn't draw more people to run them. I don't know where you got that idea.
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Max thinking that all mission runners are afraid of interaction is like saying all pirates are griefers.
And saying that all mission runners are motivated by ISK is not?
Because Anybody who ever ran a mission is a mission runner and is motivated by the Isk/rewards. What I say is true. the other 2 statements are not.
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